#132280: ""First play random" takes presidence over all other rules"
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Λεπτομερής περιγραφή
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• Παρακαλούμε κάντε αντιγραφή/επικόλληση του μηνύματος που βλέπετε στην οθόνη σας, αν υπάρχει.
"First play random" is activated just after draw meaning that is not possible to use either recycle, swap plays for draw, get on with it, mystery play, goal mill. All of these are not limited by a first play has happened and it can and it multiple games had lead to a win or defeat. By not having these options of i.e. recycle the odds of random drawing a game changing card is increased.
It also contradicts with the swap for draw because you can't get the full benefit of swap (one card less to draw) -
• Παρακαλώ εξηγήστε τι θέλατε να κάνατε, τι κάνατε και τι συνέβη
Move 85
• Ποιο είναι το πρόγραμμα περιήγησής σου;
Google Chrome v127
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• Παρακαλώ κάνε αντιγραφή/επικόλληση του κειμένου που απεικονίζεται στα αγγλικά αντί για αυτό που είναι στη γλώσσα σου.. Αν έχεις απόσπασμα οθόνης από αυτό το σφάλμα (είναι καλή αυτή η πρακτική), μπορείς να χρησιμοποιήσεις το Imgur.com για να το ανεβάσεις και να κάνεις αντιγραφή/επικόλληση του συνδέσμου εδώ.
"First play random" is activated just after draw meaning that is not possible to use either recycle, swap plays for draw, get on with it, mystery play, goal mill. All of these are not limited by a first play has happened and it can and it multiple games had lead to a win or defeat. By not having these options of i.e. recycle the odds of random drawing a game changing card is increased.
It also contradicts with the swap for draw because you can't get the full benefit of swap (one card less to draw) -
• είναι αυτό το κείμενο διαθέσιμο στο σύστημα μετάφρασης; Αν ναι, έχει μεταφραστεί για παραπάνω από 24 ώρες;
Move 85
• Ποιο είναι το πρόγραμμα περιήγησής σου;
Google Chrome v127
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• Παρακάλώ εξηγήστε την πρότασή σας με ακρίβεια και περιεκτικότητα, ώστε να είναι όσο το δυνατόν πιο εύκολο να γίνει αντιληπτό τι εννοείτε.
"First play random" is activated just after draw meaning that is not possible to use either recycle, swap plays for draw, get on with it, mystery play, goal mill. All of these are not limited by a first play has happened and it can and it multiple games had lead to a win or defeat. By not having these options of i.e. recycle the odds of random drawing a game changing card is increased.
It also contradicts with the swap for draw because you can't get the full benefit of swap (one card less to draw) • Ποιο είναι το πρόγραμμα περιήγησής σου;
Google Chrome v127
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• Τι εμφανιζόταν στην οθόνη όταν σταμάτησε (Κενή οθόνη; Μέρος του περιβάλλοντος του παιχνιδιού; Μήνυμα σφάλματος;)
"First play random" is activated just after draw meaning that is not possible to use either recycle, swap plays for draw, get on with it, mystery play, goal mill. All of these are not limited by a first play has happened and it can and it multiple games had lead to a win or defeat. By not having these options of i.e. recycle the odds of random drawing a game changing card is increased.
It also contradicts with the swap for draw because you can't get the full benefit of swap (one card less to draw) • Ποιο είναι το πρόγραμμα περιήγησής σου;
Google Chrome v127
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• Ποιο μέρος των κανόνων δεν έγινε σεβαστό από την μετατροπή του παιχνιδιού για την BGA
"First play random" is activated just after draw meaning that is not possible to use either recycle, swap plays for draw, get on with it, mystery play, goal mill. All of these are not limited by a first play has happened and it can and it multiple games had lead to a win or defeat. By not having these options of i.e. recycle the odds of random drawing a game changing card is increased.
It also contradicts with the swap for draw because you can't get the full benefit of swap (one card less to draw) -
• Είναι η παραβίαση των κανόνων ορατή στην αναπαραγωγή του παιχνιδιού; Αν ναι, σε ποια κίνηση;
Move 85
• Ποιο είναι το πρόγραμμα περιήγησής σου;
Google Chrome v127
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• Ποια ήταν η δράση του παιχνιδιού που ήθελες να κάνεις;
"First play random" is activated just after draw meaning that is not possible to use either recycle, swap plays for draw, get on with it, mystery play, goal mill. All of these are not limited by a first play has happened and it can and it multiple games had lead to a win or defeat. By not having these options of i.e. recycle the odds of random drawing a game changing card is increased.
It also contradicts with the swap for draw because you can't get the full benefit of swap (one card less to draw) -
• Τι προσπαθείτε να κάνετε για να ενεργοποιείσετε αυτήν την ενέργεια του παιχνιδιου;
Move 85
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• Τι συνέβη όταν προσπαθήσατε να το κάνετε αυτό (μνμ σφάλματος, μνμ στην μπάρα κατάστασης, ...);
• Ποιο είναι το πρόγραμμα περιήγησής σου;
Google Chrome v127
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• Σε ποια φάση του παιχνιδιού προέκυψε το πρόβλημα (ποιά ήταν η τρέχουσα οδηγία στο παιχνίδι);
"First play random" is activated just after draw meaning that is not possible to use either recycle, swap plays for draw, get on with it, mystery play, goal mill. All of these are not limited by a first play has happened and it can and it multiple games had lead to a win or defeat. By not having these options of i.e. recycle the odds of random drawing a game changing card is increased.
It also contradicts with the swap for draw because you can't get the full benefit of swap (one card less to draw) -
• Τι συνέβη όταν προσπαθήσατε να κάνετε κάποια ενέργεια στο παιχνίδι (μνμ σφάλματος, μνμ στην μπάρα κατάστασης, ...);
Move 85
• Ποιο είναι το πρόγραμμα περιήγησής σου;
Google Chrome v127
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• Παρακαλούμε περιγράψτε το πρόβλημα απεικόνισης που έχετε. Αν έχεις απόσπασμα οθόνης από αυτό το σφάλμα (είναι καλή αυτή η πρακτική), μπορείς να χρησιμοποιήσεις το Imgur.com για να το ανεβάσεις και να κάνεις αντιγραφή/επικόλληση του συνδέσμου εδώ.
"First play random" is activated just after draw meaning that is not possible to use either recycle, swap plays for draw, get on with it, mystery play, goal mill. All of these are not limited by a first play has happened and it can and it multiple games had lead to a win or defeat. By not having these options of i.e. recycle the odds of random drawing a game changing card is increased.
It also contradicts with the swap for draw because you can't get the full benefit of swap (one card less to draw) • Ποιο είναι το πρόγραμμα περιήγησής σου;
Google Chrome v127
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• Παρακαλώ κάνε αντιγραφή/επικόλληση του κειμένου που απεικονίζεται στα αγγλικά αντί για αυτό που είναι στη γλώσσα σου.. Αν έχεις απόσπασμα οθόνης από αυτό το σφάλμα (είναι καλή αυτή η πρακτική), μπορείς να χρησιμοποιήσεις το Imgur.com για να το ανεβάσεις και να κάνεις αντιγραφή/επικόλληση του συνδέσμου εδώ.
"First play random" is activated just after draw meaning that is not possible to use either recycle, swap plays for draw, get on with it, mystery play, goal mill. All of these are not limited by a first play has happened and it can and it multiple games had lead to a win or defeat. By not having these options of i.e. recycle the odds of random drawing a game changing card is increased.
It also contradicts with the swap for draw because you can't get the full benefit of swap (one card less to draw) -
• είναι αυτό το κείμενο διαθέσιμο στο σύστημα μετάφρασης; Αν ναι, έχει μεταφραστεί για παραπάνω από 24 ώρες;
Move 85
• Ποιο είναι το πρόγραμμα περιήγησής σου;
Google Chrome v127
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• Παρακάλώ εξηγήστε την πρότασή σας με ακρίβεια και περιεκτικότητα, ώστε να είναι όσο το δυνατόν πιο εύκολο να γίνει αντιληπτό τι εννοείτε.
"First play random" is activated just after draw meaning that is not possible to use either recycle, swap plays for draw, get on with it, mystery play, goal mill. All of these are not limited by a first play has happened and it can and it multiple games had lead to a win or defeat. By not having these options of i.e. recycle the odds of random drawing a game changing card is increased.
It also contradicts with the swap for draw because you can't get the full benefit of swap (one card less to draw) • Ποιο είναι το πρόγραμμα περιήγησής σου;
Google Chrome v127
Ιστορικό αναφορών
We have always played and interpreted First Play Random in the sense that really the very first thing that you do in your turn, must be a random hand card play.
So there is no way to escape this randomness by using any of the special Rule cards that you mention.
I have been searching the Looney Labs faq for a definitive answer on the correct interpretation either way, but I can’t seem to find it.
But either way, even if they would confirm you are right, I am afraid it would be a very invasive fix that would take a lot of work, and with many card interactions possibly leading to other new bugs.
All in all, it just seems too much work and risk, specially since the game was released on BGA over 3 years ago already.
Thanks for the report though, and I hope you keep playing and enjoying Fluxx!
At the same time, the description still says "the first card you play", so maybe @Oxtrosk's interpretation is correct. Furthermore, it could be argued that the "swap plays for draws" card technically meets the condition that "the current rule cards allow you to play only one card", allowing the "first play random" card to be skipped
(I know this discussion is pointless since @wolmot has made the final decision. I just felt like looking into it anyway)
Πρόσθεσε κάτι σε αυτήν την αναφορά
- Άλλο ID τραπεζιού/ ID κίνησης
- Το F5 έλυσε το πρόβλημα;
- Το πρόβλημα εμφανιζόταν αρκετές φορες;Παντού ; Τυχαία;
- Αν έχεις απόσπασμα οθόνης από αυτό το σφάλμα (είναι καλή αυτή η πρακτική), μπορείς να χρησιμοποιήσεις το Imgur.com για να το ανεβάσεις και να κάνεις αντιγραφή/επικόλληση του συνδέσμου εδώ.
