#23714: "game allowed me to break communication rules"
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Λεπτομερής περιγραφή
• Παρακαλούμε κάντε αντιγραφή/επικόλληση του μηνύματος που βλέπετε στην οθόνη σας, αν υπάρχει.
the crew manual page 6
If you want to communicate, take one of your color cards
and put it face up in front of you so everyone can see it. This
card remains part of your set of cards, so it can be played in
the normal way. The only difference is that every other crew
member now knows you have this card as well. Then place
your radio communication token with the green side up on
the card to give your crew members even more information:
> At the top, if it is your highest card of this color.
> In the middle, if it is your only card of this color.
> At the bottom, if it is your lowest card of this color.
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The bga adaption let me put the token at the top of pink five even though it was my only pink card so I should have placed it in the middle.
It could be fixed by implementing this suggestion boardgamearena.com/bug?id=22931• Παρακαλώ εξηγήστε τι θέλατε να κάνατε, τι κάνατε και τι συνέβη
Move 12 :11:22:02 AM
jade_alarm tells 53 is its highest card of this color• Ποιο είναι το πρόγραμμα περιήγησής σου;
Mozilla v5
• Παρακαλώ κάνε αντιγραφή/επικόλληση του κειμένου που απεικονίζεται στα αγγλικά αντί για αυτό που είναι στη γλώσσα σου.. Αν έχεις απόσπασμα οθόνης από αυτό το σφάλμα (είναι καλή αυτή η πρακτική), μπορείς να χρησιμοποιήσεις το Imgur.com για να το ανεβάσεις και να κάνεις αντιγραφή/επικόλληση του συνδέσμου εδώ.
the crew manual page 6
If you want to communicate, take one of your color cards
and put it face up in front of you so everyone can see it. This
card remains part of your set of cards, so it can be played in
the normal way. The only difference is that every other crew
member now knows you have this card as well. Then place
your radio communication token with the green side up on
the card to give your crew members even more information:
> At the top, if it is your highest card of this color.
> In the middle, if it is your only card of this color.
> At the bottom, if it is your lowest card of this color.
---
The bga adaption let me put the token at the top of pink five even though it was my only pink card so I should have placed it in the middle.
It could be fixed by implementing this suggestion boardgamearena.com/bug?id=22931• είναι αυτό το κείμενο διαθέσιμο στο σύστημα μετάφρασης; Αν ναι, έχει μεταφραστεί για παραπάνω από 24 ώρες;
Move 12 :11:22:02 AM
jade_alarm tells 53 is its highest card of this color• Ποιο είναι το πρόγραμμα περιήγησής σου;
Mozilla v5
• Παρακάλώ εξηγήστε την πρότασή σας με ακρίβεια και περιεκτικότητα, ώστε να είναι όσο το δυνατόν πιο εύκολο να γίνει αντιληπτό τι εννοείτε.
the crew manual page 6
If you want to communicate, take one of your color cards
and put it face up in front of you so everyone can see it. This
card remains part of your set of cards, so it can be played in
the normal way. The only difference is that every other crew
member now knows you have this card as well. Then place
your radio communication token with the green side up on
the card to give your crew members even more information:
> At the top, if it is your highest card of this color.
> In the middle, if it is your only card of this color.
> At the bottom, if it is your lowest card of this color.
---
The bga adaption let me put the token at the top of pink five even though it was my only pink card so I should have placed it in the middle.
It could be fixed by implementing this suggestion boardgamearena.com/bug?id=22931• Ποιο είναι το πρόγραμμα περιήγησής σου;
Mozilla v5
• Τι εμφανιζόταν στην οθόνη όταν σταμάτησε (Κενή οθόνη; Μέρος του περιβάλλοντος του παιχνιδιού; Μήνυμα σφάλματος;)
the crew manual page 6
If you want to communicate, take one of your color cards
and put it face up in front of you so everyone can see it. This
card remains part of your set of cards, so it can be played in
the normal way. The only difference is that every other crew
member now knows you have this card as well. Then place
your radio communication token with the green side up on
the card to give your crew members even more information:
> At the top, if it is your highest card of this color.
> In the middle, if it is your only card of this color.
> At the bottom, if it is your lowest card of this color.
---
The bga adaption let me put the token at the top of pink five even though it was my only pink card so I should have placed it in the middle.
It could be fixed by implementing this suggestion boardgamearena.com/bug?id=22931• Ποιο είναι το πρόγραμμα περιήγησής σου;
Mozilla v5
• Ποιο μέρος των κανόνων δεν έγινε σεβαστό από την μετατροπή του παιχνιδιού για την BGA
the crew manual page 6
If you want to communicate, take one of your color cards
and put it face up in front of you so everyone can see it. This
card remains part of your set of cards, so it can be played in
the normal way. The only difference is that every other crew
member now knows you have this card as well. Then place
your radio communication token with the green side up on
the card to give your crew members even more information:
> At the top, if it is your highest card of this color.
> In the middle, if it is your only card of this color.
> At the bottom, if it is your lowest card of this color.
---
The bga adaption let me put the token at the top of pink five even though it was my only pink card so I should have placed it in the middle.
It could be fixed by implementing this suggestion boardgamearena.com/bug?id=22931• Είναι η παραβίαση των κανόνων ορατή στην αναπαραγωγή του παιχνιδιού; Αν ναι, σε ποια κίνηση;
Move 12 :11:22:02 AM
jade_alarm tells 53 is its highest card of this color• Ποιο είναι το πρόγραμμα περιήγησής σου;
Mozilla v5
• Ποια ήταν η δράση του παιχνιδιού που ήθελες να κάνεις;
the crew manual page 6
If you want to communicate, take one of your color cards
and put it face up in front of you so everyone can see it. This
card remains part of your set of cards, so it can be played in
the normal way. The only difference is that every other crew
member now knows you have this card as well. Then place
your radio communication token with the green side up on
the card to give your crew members even more information:
> At the top, if it is your highest card of this color.
> In the middle, if it is your only card of this color.
> At the bottom, if it is your lowest card of this color.
---
The bga adaption let me put the token at the top of pink five even though it was my only pink card so I should have placed it in the middle.
It could be fixed by implementing this suggestion boardgamearena.com/bug?id=22931• Τι προσπαθείτε να κάνετε για να ενεργοποιείσετε αυτήν την ενέργεια του παιχνιδιου;
Move 12 :11:22:02 AM
jade_alarm tells 53 is its highest card of this color• Τι συνέβη όταν προσπαθήσατε να το κάνετε αυτό (μνμ σφάλματος, μνμ στην μπάρα κατάστασης, ...);
• Ποιο είναι το πρόγραμμα περιήγησής σου;
Mozilla v5
• Σε ποια φάση του παιχνιδιού προέκυψε το πρόβλημα (ποιά ήταν η τρέχουσα οδηγία στο παιχνίδι);
the crew manual page 6
If you want to communicate, take one of your color cards
and put it face up in front of you so everyone can see it. This
card remains part of your set of cards, so it can be played in
the normal way. The only difference is that every other crew
member now knows you have this card as well. Then place
your radio communication token with the green side up on
the card to give your crew members even more information:
> At the top, if it is your highest card of this color.
> In the middle, if it is your only card of this color.
> At the bottom, if it is your lowest card of this color.
---
The bga adaption let me put the token at the top of pink five even though it was my only pink card so I should have placed it in the middle.
It could be fixed by implementing this suggestion boardgamearena.com/bug?id=22931• Τι συνέβη όταν προσπαθήσατε να κάνετε κάποια ενέργεια στο παιχνίδι (μνμ σφάλματος, μνμ στην μπάρα κατάστασης, ...);
Move 12 :11:22:02 AM
jade_alarm tells 53 is its highest card of this color• Ποιο είναι το πρόγραμμα περιήγησής σου;
Mozilla v5
• Παρακαλούμε περιγράψτε το πρόβλημα απεικόνισης που έχετε. Αν έχεις απόσπασμα οθόνης από αυτό το σφάλμα (είναι καλή αυτή η πρακτική), μπορείς να χρησιμοποιήσεις το Imgur.com για να το ανεβάσεις και να κάνεις αντιγραφή/επικόλληση του συνδέσμου εδώ.
the crew manual page 6
If you want to communicate, take one of your color cards
and put it face up in front of you so everyone can see it. This
card remains part of your set of cards, so it can be played in
the normal way. The only difference is that every other crew
member now knows you have this card as well. Then place
your radio communication token with the green side up on
the card to give your crew members even more information:
> At the top, if it is your highest card of this color.
> In the middle, if it is your only card of this color.
> At the bottom, if it is your lowest card of this color.
---
The bga adaption let me put the token at the top of pink five even though it was my only pink card so I should have placed it in the middle.
It could be fixed by implementing this suggestion boardgamearena.com/bug?id=22931• Ποιο είναι το πρόγραμμα περιήγησής σου;
Mozilla v5
• Παρακαλώ κάνε αντιγραφή/επικόλληση του κειμένου που απεικονίζεται στα αγγλικά αντί για αυτό που είναι στη γλώσσα σου.. Αν έχεις απόσπασμα οθόνης από αυτό το σφάλμα (είναι καλή αυτή η πρακτική), μπορείς να χρησιμοποιήσεις το Imgur.com για να το ανεβάσεις και να κάνεις αντιγραφή/επικόλληση του συνδέσμου εδώ.
the crew manual page 6
If you want to communicate, take one of your color cards
and put it face up in front of you so everyone can see it. This
card remains part of your set of cards, so it can be played in
the normal way. The only difference is that every other crew
member now knows you have this card as well. Then place
your radio communication token with the green side up on
the card to give your crew members even more information:
> At the top, if it is your highest card of this color.
> In the middle, if it is your only card of this color.
> At the bottom, if it is your lowest card of this color.
---
The bga adaption let me put the token at the top of pink five even though it was my only pink card so I should have placed it in the middle.
It could be fixed by implementing this suggestion boardgamearena.com/bug?id=22931• είναι αυτό το κείμενο διαθέσιμο στο σύστημα μετάφρασης; Αν ναι, έχει μεταφραστεί για παραπάνω από 24 ώρες;
Move 12 :11:22:02 AM
jade_alarm tells 53 is its highest card of this color• Ποιο είναι το πρόγραμμα περιήγησής σου;
Mozilla v5
• Παρακάλώ εξηγήστε την πρότασή σας με ακρίβεια και περιεκτικότητα, ώστε να είναι όσο το δυνατόν πιο εύκολο να γίνει αντιληπτό τι εννοείτε.
the crew manual page 6
If you want to communicate, take one of your color cards
and put it face up in front of you so everyone can see it. This
card remains part of your set of cards, so it can be played in
the normal way. The only difference is that every other crew
member now knows you have this card as well. Then place
your radio communication token with the green side up on
the card to give your crew members even more information:
> At the top, if it is your highest card of this color.
> In the middle, if it is your only card of this color.
> At the bottom, if it is your lowest card of this color.
---
The bga adaption let me put the token at the top of pink five even though it was my only pink card so I should have placed it in the middle.
It could be fixed by implementing this suggestion boardgamearena.com/bug?id=22931• Ποιο είναι το πρόγραμμα περιήγησής σου;
Mozilla v5
Ιστορικό αναφορών
If you want to communicate the game should check whether you can communicate the card you want, and then automatically place the token in the right place, whether that's highest, lowest, only, or middle and red face up if a dead zone.
And the rules say that if it's my only card, I should place my token in the middle. Yes, my only card will necessarily be also my highest and lowest, but only overrides that because it is more specific (just like the arrows at traffic lights override the disc)
> In the middle, if it is your only card of this color.
> At the bottom, if it is your lowest card of this color.
I believe the rules intend the "if" to mean "if and only if" - ie the way most regular people would use the word if, not the way computer programmers would use it. Therefore, when the card is your only card of a colour the rules do not give you the choice of where to put it, it must go in the middle.
Even if it were allowed by the rules, I can't see that anyone would ever want to place it at the top or bottom when it's the only. It gives less information to your teammates and potentially confuses. The only possibility I can see is coming-up with some sort of convention where you say 1 is your highest or 9 is your lowest and it means some sort of special signal, but that seems like you're trying to break the game.
The placement of the radio communication tokens may
not be changed if the statement is no longer correct. For
example, a communicated “highest” card may become
the “only” card during the game. Nevertheless, the radio
communication token may not be moved.
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This clearly states that a communication of highest is not correct if it is your only card.
I agree that its suboptimal to clue it anything else if its your only card, however, BGA intends to implement the games as close to offline behavior as possible. Sub-optimal play or mistakes are part of any co-op. I don't think its fair to call it a bug when implemented as it is.
This could be put forth as a suggestion though. Just like picking up of the last task card.
(Secondarily, as jade_alarm mentioned earlier, this is a cooperative game: there's no reason to use up your very limited communication resource communicating less than is optimal.)
But primarily, this is just a bug: the rulebook clearly implies that an "only" card is NOT also a "highest" card. So there's at most one way to communicate about any card, and you shouldn't need to place the communication token manually.
Πρόσθεσε κάτι σε αυτήν την αναφορά
- Άλλο ID τραπεζιού/ ID κίνησης
- Το F5 έλυσε το πρόβλημα;
- Το πρόβλημα εμφανιζόταν αρκετές φορες;Παντού ; Τυχαία;
- Αν έχεις απόσπασμα οθόνης από αυτό το σφάλμα (είναι καλή αυτή η πρακτική), μπορείς να χρησιμοποιήσεις το Imgur.com για να το ανεβάσεις και να κάνεις αντιγραφή/επικόλληση του συνδέσμου εδώ.